An Interview with Sally Miller

Interview conducted by Rachael Fojtasek and Jack Gordon Donato

Growing up, Sally Miller enjoyed learning about her heritage. Through her family, she discovered more of her father’s story. In this interview, Sally shares her father’s journey out of Czechoslovakia during WWII and remembers the family he lost during the Holocaust. Sally tells her father’s story and many others from her time as a docent at the Houston Holocaust Museum.

Interview

This interview was made in collaboration with Department of History in University of Houston and Czech Center Museum Houston. The following text is the verbatim transcription of the oral history project.

October 3, 2019

UH Interviewer: My name is Jack Gordon Donato We are currently sitting in the Czech Center Museum of Houston, and we will be discussing the immigration process of Sally Miller. Thank you for visiting with us today.

UH Interviewer: My name is Rachael Fojtasek. Today we wanted to know about your life and family story. I know that's a lot but a basic life story about yourself like where you are from and everything.

Sally Miller: Okay so I am the oldest of three daughters. Born in Washington, D.C. and my mother is a third generation immigrant. My father immigrated here, to the United States. What’s interesting about my life and my sister’s lives is that our early upbringing was completely different because I am eight years older than my next sister and 11 years older than my second sister. So from an infant to a toddler, I lived in the home of my grandparents, outside of Philadelphia. And then my dad didn’t get into medical school here in the United States. As you know the war was going on and some people thought he was a Nazi, even though he was a Jew. So he ended up in a medical school in Lozan, Switzerland. That’s where I lived from age three to six when I forgot my English and picked up French. So that’s my early background. My next sister, Holly, was eight years younger than me and she was born after my dad got back from Europe when he was doing his internship in a hospital in Chicago. She was born in Chicago right before my mother's mother died. So it was a depressive time right around there because my maternal grandmother was getting ready with my grandfather, planning a trip to Chicago to see the new baby, my sister. My next sister, Rosemary, was born after my dad joined the army. She was born in San Antonio when we lived in Fort Sam Houston. So you can see that all three of us had very different beginnings, very different. So my time spent outside of Philadelphia with my grandparents or in Lozan, Switzerland is something my sisters were not a part of at all. Because my maternal grandmother died right before Holly was born, she and Rosemary never knew my grandmother. So it was very different. 

I grew up in the army after Chicago. We lived in North Carolina where my father was a paratrooper with the 82nd airborne, and a physician. He got his medical degree and from there we went to San Antonio and after that we lived in Panama for three years. After that we lived outside of Washington, D.C., then we lived in Fort Mcpherson, Georgia. I was finishing highschool and then went to Wesleyan College in Macon, Georgia. After that my dad’s next post was in Carlisle Barracks, Pennsylvania, so I went up there after I graduated from college and I spent a year in Japan as a foreign exchange student while I was at Wesleyan. So I was working at an army depot and saw an article in Look Magazine, which was comparable to Life Magazine that I know you all probably don't know anything about. And there was an article about Houston that Houston was the upcoming city of the south. Supposedly there were more men than women and it was the future cultural center. All kinds of really neat things. So I saved up my money, a whole 500 dollars and decided to get on a bus and come to Houston without knowing anybody.  

That's how I got here. So because the YWCA was under renovation, they suggested I talk to the people at the Texas State Hotel who gave me a monthly rent and I stayed there. I was thinking if I don't find a job and run out of money I’m going back to Pennsylvania. Well, I did find a job. I applied to several social service agencies through United Way and somebody at one of those agencies told the board president of what's called the Women's Home today, at that time it was called the Women's Christian Mission, about me. So this board president, Ruby Hill, contacted me and I was working for a democrat,  a very liberal, democratic person by the name of Bill Kilgallen who was running for the House of Representatives. And so I went into this interview with Kilgallen girls and we had green outfits, dresses. I think with a shamrock on them or whatever. And so I went to this interview like that and all I could say is that those women, those board members, were very desperate to have somebody take that job because otherwise I'm sure I wouldn't have gotten it. 

But anyways, I worked there for a little over a year and it was really a transient home for women. What I noticed there was women were just sitting like bumps on a log being depressed and I thought you know what I'm going to get like that pretty soon too because I lived there. That part of my salary was I lived on the premises and we needed to do something, not really knowing anything bookwise what I was doing but just thinking through what I would want if I wanted this to be a home, a real home, for women. And so the first thing we did was that I announced to everybody we were going to Herman Park for a picnic. You might’ve thought I said we were going to the dentist for a root canal because I got lots of negative complaints. As I said you know we’re going and everybody’s got to go because if anybody stays here and the place burns down I would never forgive myself. So you know the women started getting into it in terms of fixing food in the kitchen and getting ready to go to Herman Park. Well after we got back from this outing clearly they had a great time because my window was up against the rec room, and I didn't do this often. But I sort of put my ear up to listen and they were saying such good things. So I thought yes I did the right thing. And so then I went around again. I didn't know Houston very well and remember Houston was a lot smaller than it is now and so I networked all over the place. I networked with the Bentop Hospital and TIMs which was the Texas Institute for Mental Sciences and a job placement agency and restaurants and theatres and whatever because remember I needed a social life too. 

I was 23 at that point just having finished college so at any rate it was a wonderful, wonderful job. I just had a great time and women because it was transient when I came in there I told my board president. I said, Ruby you know these women are like a revolving circle, they go out and then they come back, and if their issue is alcohol or drugs they get cleaned up for a little bit while they're here then they go back out again do the same thing. I suggested we have a policy of keeping the women longer which we started doing so I took it from a transient home to a home of rehabilitation where we had services for the women in terms of medical and mental health and job training and all kinds of stuff, as well as social life. What I did was I wanted churches to be involved in different ways. At that time churches started having, for their own members, like an activity time and then lunch. So I got the women connected to that so people would come by and pick them up, take them, and bring them back so that was neat. And if women, for whatever reason, weren’t able to work, I made sure that they did some volunteer work somewhere. So I did that for about a little over a year then I ended up going to social work school in Our Lady of the Lake University Worden School of Social Services in San Antonio. I got my degree there, came back to Houston and worked at the Depelchin Children's Home. 

After that I got married and went to Phoenix where I worked as a pediatric social worker for a year then went to Europe and into Giesen, Germany where I got a job with the U.S. Army about  their drug alcohol program. I enlarged it into a counseling center for everybody, enlisted personnel as well as officer personnel and their families. Then I came back to Houston with my husband and I’ve been here ever since. I’ve been on the faculty at Baylor and was assistant chief of social work at the Texas Children’s Child and Adolescent Psychiatry Clinic, which doesn’t exist anymore. I have done a bunch of stuff and right now I’m in private practice. I also supervise both social work with marriage and family students in the process. A few years ago I went back to school to get a Ph.D. in family science. 

I think that’s enough about me so let me tell you about my dad because that's where the immigration comes in. I’m a second generation American on my fathers side, he was in school at Charles Univestiy in Prague during the time of the Nazi takeover of Czechoslovakia and he happened to be in the wrong place at that wrong time. The Nazis, about whom you can read about it in your history, took over the university and they were rounding up rebel rousers. My dad wasn't one of them, but he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. And they rounded him up and took these students to a basement and tortured them for three days. And then they brought them out of the basement and lined them up against the wall and shot everyone but my dad was one of the other ones or else I wouldn't be here talking to you.

UH Interviewer: I was just wondering if your dad was included in this?

Sally Miller: Well he didn't get shot.

UH Interviewer: Yea, well yea.

Sally Miller: As I said I would not be here talking to you. So he had, he befriended an American Czech who was, whose family lived in Czechoslovakia. He came over from Pittsburgh as a Danfurd fellow and he was teaching my dad English. My dad told him that he was ready to commit suicide for what was going on and his friend by the name of John Monoe who became an FBI agent said that he would help him and he did. So my dad attempted to get out of Europe for the first time. It was out of Bremerhaven which is northern Germany, the ship went out about 50 miles then it came back to the port and his money and papers were confiscated. He asked for help from his friend Johnny, whose mother I think wired him some money and he went up under a train to Rotterdam and he got out in the very last ship before they closed all the ports. So the story is that his friend John helped him to immigrate to the United States by getting him into Penn State. Pennsylvania State University needed forestry students because they didn't have enough,  so my father all of a sudden was ready to throw out medicine at least on the paper on the application and became very interested in being a forestry student. So they accepted him. 

He was looking at ads in the university and saw one, to which he was walking up the street to respond. They needed somebody to do work around their house or whatever and this happened to have been my grandparents' country home, home outside of Philadelphia. When he went there, there was nobody so he was walking back but my grandfather happened to see this stranger in this area. My dad showed him the ad and my grandfather showed him back. My grandfather said that's me, get in. And my mother was one of the four sisters. Nobody was sure which one might be smitten with but it was my mother, the third of the four sisters.There was not a house but a room outside of this country place where the family stayed so that’s where my father was. And before he joined the army, he joined the military the first time as a medic and when he went back to Europe he helped liberate some of the camps as an army medic. He would never talk about his experiences. I don’t know if you know who Elie Wiesel is but my daughter did a comparative study of Elie Wiesel who won the Nobel Peace prize several years ago. He’s written books that he speaks out about him being a Holocaust survivor but my dad keeps everything in and doesn’t talk about it. And so my daughter wrote an extended essay for the Ivy program in high school, about these two men. One being her grandfather, looking at how different people who have survived the Holocaust  and how they’ve dealt with it. Some keep it all in and some let it out. Of course to let it out is therapeutic and healthy but to keep it all in really isn't. 

UH Interviewer: Can you tell us more about your time in Switzerland? You moved there when you were three you said?

Sally Miller: Well it was an idyllic time because when my dad was in medical school he had two very close friends, Jack and Charlie. I became the adopted niece of these two gentlemen, who were not married at that time, so they became a part of my extended family. I went everywhere with them. There's one wedding where instead of taking pictures of the groom and the bride which I'm sure they did at some point, they were taking pictures of me. I went to school there which was about a block away across the street. There was a church across one way and there was a bakery on the other side of the street. I remember being in that bakery and the owner said just take anything you want and I did. The next thing I know is that  I got so sick because everything looked so good and I took a lot of stuff . We went to places like I can remember the medical school having a picnic and there's a picture of me with my arm around a goat but the goat wasn't going anywhere. 

It was a very rich time and then one of my friends from school, she and I were bridesmaids for the tailor's daughter and I was sick with some disease I had at that time. I got a lot of diseases over there. I think I got measles and mumps and a whooping cough. so I had one of those and my father, the doctor, was promising me well. I was hoping he would so I could participate in the wedding and he did, and I did. It was lots of fun but I knew people at the medical school as well as medical students. After I got married my husband and I got two kids, a daughter and a son. When my daughter was little we went back over there and I connected with some of those people that I knew way back and it was very special to be able to do that. What I need to tell you in terms of the Holocaust is there was a conspiracy of silences in my family, I always felt very connected to Jewish kids and didn’t know why I never. My dad had an accent like Henry Kissinger you probably don’t know about him unless you've read about him in history. He was the Secretary of State I believe under Nixon and he got the nobel peace prize. My dad looked like him and spoke like him and had an accent. 

I never asked my dad why he had an accent, never asked how come I don't have grandparents on that side of the family, never asked the questions during holidays. It was kind of depressive somehow because if you think about holiday time as being a time for families but part of your family isn't there. It was something like an emotional transference that you feel that you don't understand or know anything about but you don't ask questions because nobody ever talks about it. So when I was in college and babysat for one of the faculty members, I think it was my dance instructor in one of the elective classes. I took care of her son and she invited me over for a Seder meal. We grabbed the Golden Book story about Moses and we read the story about the plagues and everything. I'm not even sure what we had to eat because it wasn't a typical Seder dinner kind of thing but anyway that was my first experience. Actually it wasn't, that was my second. The first one was when I was in college.

Sally Miller: When I was in junior high school, we lived in Silver Spring, Maryland because my dad was there at Walter Reed in Washington D.C.. He invited me, the oldest just myself, to go to New York with him for one weekend and my whole family had been to New York. I don’t know if it was, it probably was sometime during my junior year when we all lived up there. We met this uncle of my dad’s, that we didn’t know about, and his wife and spent the weekend up there. He and his wife owned a clothing store on Staten Island and anyway so my dad invited me to go up to New York with him on this one occasion. It was Friday night shabbat and there was a long table with food on it. So my dad and I, just the two of us, are sitting in the living room and I looked at him. I don’t know how it just happened to come out. I asked, “Dad, are you Jewish?” and he said yes. And this is when I was seventeen and a junior in high school , but it was the first time I knew. 

So the whole idea of my Judaism has sort of evolved. Then in college when I was babysitting probably, maybe it was my first or second year at Wesleyan College in Macon, Georgia after I graduated from high school. I think this teacher invited me because of my last name at that time, which is now my middle name, it’s Eisen. It could be Jewish but it doesn’t have to be. It means iron in German, but I’m a Czech. If you know your history, you know that one year a country might be Czech and another year it may be German, and another year it may be some other country because it depended on who won the wars and how they divided up the territory in terms of the land of different countries. 

So when our Holocaust Museum here in Houston open back up, I think it was 1996, I became a docent. I was part of the board and joined the education committee and am a volunteer to this day in the museum. One of the things we did in the education committee is we collected, starting in Houston then Texas then the country then the world, we collected butterflies. We asked kids to make butterflies and send them to us or bring them to us, however they wanted to make them. You know drawings some had beads some very elaborate. This was to represent the 1.5 million children killed in the Holocaust and this was eighty-seven percent of all the European Jewish children. Think about that, thirteen percent lived, just thirteen percent, and what could they have contributed? 

So one of them, in terms of me being Czech, was a young man by the name of Petr Ginz, and Petr was sort of a renaissance kid. One of his parents was Jewish and the other one wasn’t.  They rounded up him and his sister, when both parents were taken to Theresienstadt. Theresienstadt used to be an old military fortress back before the 1900s, and the Nazis decided to make a ghetto out of it. They separated the boys and the girls, the men and the women and so Petr decided with this group of boys “we’re not going to get depressed and we’re not going to get angry, we’re going to do something worthwhile”. He established a magazine called “Vedem”, where each one of the boys had an assignment. Some of them had jobs outside where they lived, so they looked around and took mental notes and came back and wrote it. It was an underground magazine that they put out every week. I think there were eighty-six copies and one of the boys, whose assignment was to bury all these magazines outside where they lived and he was one of them that lived. He went back and found them and they’re in a Czech Republic museum today which is really neat.

Petr did die unfortunately, his sister lived and he wasn’t only the editor and founder of this underground magazine but he was an artist and he was a thinker. So this one drawing he made looking from the moon down on Earth, which was before we even conceived of going to the moon, way before it was in people’s thoughts. But he thought about it back in the 1940s. So a copy of that drawing was taken into space by the first Jewish-Israeli astronaut. Unfortunately that was the spaceship that exploded and he died. So in the last year, I personally asked another astronaut if he would take a copy of the drawing up for this museum so hopefully we’ll get it at some point. 

But anyway that’s a short story about a Czech young man, and again this is just one of those 1.5 million kids. To think of what they might have contributed to the world it’s just very sad. If you have not been to the Holocaust Museum, please go. If you want a tour I’m a docent there, you can call me or you can call up and get a personal tour. But the museum has just done a complete renovation. It's more than a renovation, it used to be one story now it’s three stories. It is enlarged. We had an actual train car, we don’t know if it went to the death camps but the one like it did was put  outside. We had a rescue boat that did save Jews, that was outside too. They’re inside the museum now because of the weather so they don’t get mildew and ruined. So it’s a fabulous place with a lot of inspirational stories and that’s what’s neat, do go there.

UH Interviewer: So you said about the first times you sort of heard your dad may have been part of the Holocaust, where did you get most of the information on that? Was it from other relatives or was it from him?

Sally Miller: No not from him. My mother, he talked to my mother, and so my mother had some articles. There was an article where they disguised his name. It was during first time when he was in the military and he actually shot a Nazi. I don’t know the circumstances of course. It was my mother and also John Mino, the F.B.I. agent who helped him get out of Europe. Of course he was an eyewitness, he was part of the process of my dad getting out. So it was mainly those two people, and then my daughter did some research and my son also did some to verify the taking over of the university by the Nazi’s, about their taking students down in the basement and they taking them up and shooting every other one that’s documented. 

UH Interviewer: So when you immigrated back from Switzerland, you had already been to America at this point, are you an American born citizen?

Sally Miller: Yeah I was born in Washington D.C. and my maternal grandparents lived outside of Philadelphia. In my first few years, my dad was a medic, so my mother and I lived with my grandparents. After he came back, the three of us went to Switzerland where he went to medical school. I was told that my dad was in the Army and I guess I was shown pictures of what military men looked like. So I would ask everybody if the people that I saw in uniforms were my daddy because I had not seen him since I was a baby. 

UH Interviewer: So you said you lost most of your English in Switzerland, what was it like trying to pick up English again once you came back?

Sally Miller: Well I can’t exactly remember, but what I do remember, which I don’t like, is that my dad spoke about six languages and my mother did speak French, but I wouldn’t speak French to them and they didn’t speak French to me so I lost my French. I mean I know I have an accent today and I guess I could pick up some, but I lost my French. I started listening to English from when I was born and since it was my first language until three so I learned basic English. I don’t remember but I went to kindergarten a second time to learn basic English.

UH Interviewer: So how long did you stay in Switzerland then?

Sally Miller: Three years…three and a half years, from three to about six and a half.

UH Interviewer: So when you moved back to the U.S.A., you were already here two years before your other sister was born or about two years?

Sally Miller: I think I was six when I was back but I could be wrong. After we got back from Switzerland, my dad went to... I was thinking Chicago but you know what it wasn’t Chicago. We were stationed in Fort Bragg, North Carolina when I was in second grade. My dad joined the army there and became a paratrooper with the 82nd Airborne. He was a flight surgeon and later a trouble shooting hospital administrator. But anyway, after North Carolina, we went to Chicago. 

I was eight years old in Chicago when my sister Holly was born. So I think my dad was that type of person for it had to do with how he was treated, because it sounded like his dad died in the military and he and his mom were in a camp. His mother remarried and then they had a daughter, which was his step-sister but his step-father was mean and was a bully. You know the idea was that he was to help his sister in school but he just wasn’t treated very well. So I was telling you that for some reasons.

Oh so anyway my dad always liked the little guy so he rose in the ranks. Everywhere he went he got the highest honors metals. In Panama, he got the Vasco Núñez de Balboa, for he’s one of the founders of Panama. He got the highest award from the King and Queen of Thailand for he helped architects build a hospital there in Bangkok and I still haven’t found out but want to know if it made it through the tsunami because it was built for that purpose. I’ve got a picture, a newspaper picture of it. The last award, one of the very last important awards he got was from Germany. The highest award that they get for promoting peace and understanding among Americans and Germans, of which I thought if they only knew that they killed his family. At that time he was the Commanding Officer of the N.A.T.O. hospital at SHAPE, Supreme Allied Commanders, the place where N.A.T.O. was. He was up for the General but the politics were not as expected that he didn’t make it, which was a shame. 

UH Interviewer: So you said his mother survived too?

Sally Miller: No, he’s the only one. His mother and sister and step-father, they died, and we’re looking for them. We’re trying to find where they died. We’re still looking but we haven’t found that yet…my kids and myself.

UH Interviewer: I know your father didn’t talk much about it, but whenever you first found out about his involvement how did you react, like how did it make you feel?

Sally Miller: Involvement of what?

UH Interviewer: In the Holocaust, like what he went through, his experiences…

Sally Miller: I think it was a process…If you talk to most survivors, there're many survivors today in our Houston community that go around and speak to school groups and different groups, but they kept everything to themselves for the longest time. Since everything was kept in my family, nobody ever talked about it, which wasn’t something that was readily available to me. I remember there was a documentary about the Holocaust on tv and my dad wanted me to come watch it and I did. It was horrible. There were bodies being thrown in pits, but I didn’t connect to anything. So it was my dad who took me to New York and saw that there was a family member, this uncle, who came to the United States before the war. So I asked my dad if he was Jewish and he said yes, but there was never any conversation about that. Then in college, I was invited to be a part of the Seder, which I didn’t really know anything about, and the mom of the little boy that I was taking care of didn’t really explain too much. So I didn’t know how observant a Jew she was. But it was just all these little things and I think it’s been two years since my husband and I lived in Germany. People would come up to us, who knew we were Americans. Some of them would say “we’re sorry for what occurred”, and I remember my husband and I wanted to learn some German. We had this communist, this woman who claimed to be a communist and was hired by the U.S. Army to teach German. She said that what happened was never talked about in school. She went home and started asking her parents about it, because we had these conversations after our German class. Little by little, and then coming back here and getting involved in our Holocaust Museum has been just fabulous. It’s been really special. I see that part of my job as a docent is to tell stories about people, including my own, and to challenge kids with “what can you do? How can you make a difference?”. It’s important to stand up, be the power of one, one, and one, and one. And all of a sudden it’s an army in quotes. It makes a difference. It starts with one person. I mean think of the young girl in Ireland in terms of climate change, and here she is  speaking before the United Nations. How old is she? Fifteen or sixteen? I mean that’s kind of awesome. One person speaks out, having a position without reactivity. Holding onto and speaking out is so important. 

UH Interviewer: So I just have a few questions about religion; was your family very religious? What kind of religious activities were you involved in?

Sally Miller: My mother was a Northern Baptist. The history wasn’t even popular. There was somebody who founded a Baptist church and they stood up against slavery, which again wasn’t something people did at that particular time. So that’s my mother’s background, and there were also some Episcopalians. Then my father came over on the ship cutting off his life from before, and he renounced his Judaism, except for that he did admit that he was a Jew after I asked him when I was sixteen. So the family wasn’t very religious. I attended some churches for social reasons. I go to the Episcopal Cathedral in downtown Houston where I started Seder meals because I think that’s important and I’ve done that at two different places. I attend Seder, a women’s Seder at the Jewish Community Center. Because Christianity and Judaism are part of my family, I celebrate most of the Jewish holidays. We’ve done that in our family because it’s important. I’m very sensitive, which probably is very important. I think everybody has the right to pray however they pray in their churches, synagogues, mosques. However, when it’s a secular event I think it’s very important to pray in the name of God, inclusive God, that everybody can be a part of. If the prayer at a secular event is prayed in the name of Jesus, then you’re leaving out some people and you’re being exclusive and not inclusive. So at times I have gone up to clergy people and said that you left my friends out in how you prayed, and I hope in the future you will be inclusive of everybody. 

UH Interviewer: Do you think you are like this because of your dad’s experiences or do you think it’s just who you are?

Sally Miller: Well his experience is part of who I am.

UH Interviewer: Yes I was thinking that as I said it actually.

Sally Miller: I think I have always had a sensitivity to being inclusive because growing up as a kid, I was never really part of a group. I was kind of in between a couple. So I was kind of part of this one, and I was kind of part of that one, but not really. Sometimes I get a little lonely  in the middle and this has nothing to do with this. I’ll tell you very quickly. One of my kids went to St. John’s School and one of the things they have for seniors is a senior parents skit. So the parents do it for the kids and I was asked to do this even though I never even signed up for the committee. They must’ve asked every other parent of the class. So I said “well I don’t even know anything about this. Let me see some videos.” I saw several groups of parents do these skits but only their kids and their friends knew what it was even about. I didn’t like that. That’s when I decided I would do this not knowing what I was going to do. My goal was to have at least one parent of every kid, 131 of them, involved in this skit somehow and I missed it by two parents. What I did was I wrote a skit, which was sort of a play, and I made fun of everything I could think of in terms of the school. It was 2001 so it was called ‘2001: A Class Odyssey’, and we had the computer based on the movie “2001: A Space Odyssey”. The parents came out, one holding a boy and one holding a girl, with the twins representing all the boys and all the girls in the class. The parents were so anxious that they couldn’t get their kids into the school. They went to a therapist which is my profession, and took them all the way through from getting into the school. They applied for their kids to get in when she was pregnant and all this funny, crazy stuff. We had two parents that were astronauts and I had them come out in their outfits. One parent was an artist so she made t-shirts with all the kids' names and all the stars. All the parents came out with these t-shirts and said look at all the stars, all 131 of them. Two of the parents wrote words to the song RENT and we all came out and sang to that. Then the astronaut parents came out and then the song. It was so neat that everybody participated in some way, like some were on a construction crew because we had to have that. The parent who was an artist and others wrote the song, so some were in it and some were doing other stuff that was needed behind the scene. My daughter, without whom I couldn’t have done it, went to the actor studio and graduated with a degree in performing arts. She was the one who directed this whole thing…131 parents and she did a fabulous job. Anyway, that’s an example of my inclusivity. I just thought we’re not having just a few people or kids get what that’s about. We’re going to have everybody understand it and it’s going to be for everybody. So I practice that in my life when I see it and I’m sensitive to people being excluded in all sorts of ways.

UH Interviewer: That is really amazing. Thank you so much for sharing with us about yours and your families life.

Sally Miller: Well I probably said a lot more than you ever intended, but when you start out “tell us about your life” and I did leave a few things out believe it or not.

UH Interviewer: Your story is amazing. Thank you again for your time.